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They can be distinguished from each other in a variety of ways, as is apparent on this page. "Anyway, the letters stand for put and take, inclusive: nothing (spin again? about women in the beginning of the 18th century ... Click here to read an enlargement of the text at the bottom of that page. The patent was made to cover all tops that were bi-level -- two separate rotating parts. This is the first bakelite bi-level POKER top I have ever seen. Dealer said, "2 RARE VINTAGE GAMING GAMBLING BAKELITE PUT & TAKE CARD GAME SPINNERS. patent number for 1921 are 1,364,063 and 1,401,947. For example, the one pictured here shows a queen-high flush. I ordered one (July 2013), and it just arrived in a 12" x 12" x 12" box. Per Shapeways: "Dice version of the spinning top game "put and take." One die is labeled the other is labeled . Can be used as a D8 die, or labeled with options for the game "put and take" or "toma todo." Picture here. The star can be used as an extra rule, for example, all take, take one from everyone one, everyone takes one from you, take half, put half, etc. hides 3 dice and one brass put and take, or teetotum spinner, which fit into the handle .... The instructions for all games are printed around the sides, including Roulette, Odd Or Even, Hi-Lo, Play The Flags, Play The Marbles, and Put And Take.groups (bags) "5" and "7," above, are 6-sided tops, and as such invariably have words on the sides and must be read with the top lying on its side -- the words are lined up with the stem of the put and take top (go in the same direction as/are parallel to the length of the stem) . words/letters read with the stem being upright (invariably, 8-sided put & takes) OR with the stem held horizontally (invariably, 6-sided put & takes). words (eg., "take all") OR letters (eg., "TA") on the sides. smooth handle/stem OR knurled/serrated handle/stem. One of the most surprising (to me) things said there is: "'Put and Take' .... BOTH ARE 2 1/4" TALL TO TOP OF WOOD HANDLES X 1 1/16" WIDE. I finally got a nice one on e Bay for somewhat less in March 2011. If it had landed Jack Two, it would be a pair of Jacks. Dealer said, "Bottom die reads: "Ball, Hit, Ball, Strike, Foul, Strike" Top die reads: "H. It is one of the most awful Put and Takes I have ever seen -- about 1 inch long and 3 grams weight. Game abbreviations: P = put, T = take, A = all, H = half. Come up with your own new rules to make the game more fun." Edgar Bergen's CHARLIE Mc CARTHY Put And Take Bingo by Whitman 1938 -- Saw this on e Bay, August 2009. The top piece is designed to hold a single "D" battery with an attached light on the underside of the lid.Pictured above are the most common type of Put and Takes. when you read words on the sides (almost always the six-sided ones) is the handle on the right or the left? solid put & takes, OR bi-level ones (very rare -- see tops #7 and #8 in the large table below). are the words/letters printed, engraved, or embossed (rare)? the particular words/letters on the sides and the order they are in. any name on the spinner (advertising name or maker's name)? -- I thank Marianne Jager, of the Netherlands, for the above picture of her ancient Put and Take spinner and the following informatrion. The top has 6 letters: A (al = take all), B (bij = add? The white and red parts are bakelite - The spin seperately from each other so the final outcome is always random - The blue handle is wood with some wear to the paint - The markings on the white part are P and T and on the red you have 0 1 4 A 2 3 "It is marked "Spinim" on top with a patent number. It is lightweight, made of aluminum, and has a hole in the stem to accommodate a key chain. right one: 8-sided: TAKE ONE, PUT TWO, TAKE THREE, ALL PUT, TAKE TWO, PUT ONE, TAKE ALL, PUT THREE. Same seller, also called vintage with many listings. ] PUT AND TAKE SOLID BRASS SPINNER IN EXCELLENT CONDITION, ALL THE NUMBERS & LETTERS ARE ALL ALMOST PERFECT, NO MAJOR DENTS. " Looks modern to me, looks similar to these "Rocky Top" spinners, which are admittedly modern. P1 = pon 1, P2 = pon 2, Todos Ponen, T1 = toma 1, T2 = toma 2, Toma Todo. All these are only about each, but kind of cheap, plain looking, worth no more than that. They say, "7-sided heptagonal top / spinner / dreidel for the game put-and-take, aka toma todo. I was turned off by the big size of the item: "The size of the box is 9"x15"." The description said: ""A game of chance with dice and chips." Box top has staining, major corner and edgewear, one torn side and a small amount of graphic loss at one corner, otherwise solid. Click here for advertisement for such a 6-in-1 combination Put & Take pencil. There are instructions printed on the inside of the top of the box. Made by the Durable Toy & Novelty Company of New York.They were usually small, about an inch high, and made of brass. She says, "In the Netherlands 18th 19th century they made spinners from silver, like in the picture. Lengh 3.2 cm, weight 6.8 gram "The letters on each of the 6 sides: A - only take B - to pay N - nothing to take T - take D - double put S put." She adds, "The letters on the sides are difficult to read, old fashioned Dutch," so she is giving an approximate translation. That much is for sure." In a reference work, she found, "... ), S (set=put), T (trek= take), D (dubbel=double) and N (niet=not, nothing)." None of this should be surprising, what with the Teetotum gambling top being known in ancient Greece and the Dreidel (put and take instructions on the four-sided spinner) being developed in 16th century Germany -- source here . Once on that web page, you will see links for a drawing of the devise, abstract, description, claims, etc. It is also in about the 5th picture on this page, along with other bakelite tops. I bought these two on e Bay June 2013, 5 total delivered. I don't think there was a layout, and I don't think one played against the "house." Rather, like with poker dice, each player would spin his own "hand," and the highest hand would win. Seller says: "UNUSUAL NICKEL PLATED ANTIQUE PUT&TAKE GAMBLING DEVICE . IT MEASURES ABOUT 1 3/8" LONG X 3/4" AT IT'S WIDES POINT" per dealer LAMB 534, May 2011. 2012 as "Vintage Put and Take dice game brass spinning piece. cm: 1.904 w x 2.78 d x 1.648 h in: 0.75 w x 1.094 d x 0.649 h ." I gather the 6 sides are: P1, P2, T1, T2, Todos Ponen (All Put), and Toma Todo (Take All). Like the above one, "Shapeways 3D Printing Service and Marketplace" made on a 3D printer. Seller: "Centermeter: 2.016 w x 3.324 d x 2.016 h ... An 8-sided spinner/top labeled for the game put-and-take. They also sell: "Unlabeled 8-sided spinner with a unique umbrella shape. Sides are labeled as follows: AP = all put, P1 = put 1, P2 = put 2, TA = take all, T1 = take 1, T2 = take 2, and star. Contents are COMPLETE and in excellent condition." Seller says, "Wonderful walking stick cane with a hidden secret, bakelite handle decorated with a white metal 4 leafs-clover ... Item includes: pencil, pen, cigarette holder, compass, Put & Take top, and dice. Vintage / Antique Game ELECTRIC PUT-N-TAKE by Jim Prentice The Electric Game Co. This piece features tin construction with colorful litho throughout showing flags of the world, roulette wheel numbers, a world globe, Put And Take markings, and more.(Words to song, here.) An Australian gambling-related web site says, "the Western worlds game of put-and-take [is] rarely encountered since the 1930s. There is a casino game "Put and Take" that uses playing cards instead of a spinner! Today, there are also grifters hustling people with crooked Put & Take dice, as reported here. jazz-swing music: 1929 "Put and Take" composition performed by Joe Venuti's Blue Four. If it landed with the star or Take All showing, he would take all the chips from the pot. G." stands for "Sans Garantie Du Gouvernement" (="without government guarantee"). Click here for full information and pictures on another page. The top breaks down and you can move the tumblers off and on, depending on what you are playing." Tri-level Crown & Anchor. Because the three discs spin separately, the final outcome is always completely random. April 2017, it went for almost 0 (plus shipping) on e Bay. The odds are 2 to 1 4 to1 5 to1 6 to1 8 to 1 and Disqualified. And as you would expect, on this top, all four of the Take sides are shaved on the bottom left, and on all four Put sides, all of the bottom rights are shaved. The case is replicated to look like a wicker basket. This patent pending design is precision balanced and the smooth rounded patent pending spin-tip will not mar surfaces. Each piece weighs in at a heft .3 ounces and provides enough weight to keep the die spinning for over two minutes if you'd like. The "secret" is somewhat similar to the three red celluloid Put & Takes near the top of this page: if a player (the mark) twists the top to the right (clockwise) --as most players would-- it will almost always land with the "Put" sides showing, and if the hustler, who knows the secret, twists the top to the left (counter-clockwise), the top invariably lands with the "Take" sides showing. Note the spellings of "Spinning Top" in different languages on the box. "made of: wood, tin package size: 15 cm x 8,5 cm x 8 cm weight: 0.15 kg suitable age: 6 Traditional board game. Per dealer: "This card game is a variation from the simple dice or top games designed to risk pieces of candy, coins or a few bucks.
If it landed P1 (or "put one"), P2 or P3, he would lose (put) 1, 2 or 3 of his chips, respectively, into the pot.I have found 1921 to be the earliest use of the term "Put & Take." The spread and popularity of Put & Takes was a true "craze," a term applied to Put & Takes even then. ....there are chips to the paintwork in places." The top is 6-sided, each level has these 6 sides: X 1 2 3 4 5. "STILL IN GOOD WORKING PERIOD CONDITION, THIS PARTICULAR TEETOTEM IS RARE BECAUSE IT IS TRI-LEVEL WITH 3 INDEPENDENTLY SPINNING DECKS OR LEVELS. Grey Lag-Colon-- Man-O-War--Morvich- Zev-Spark Plug DISQ, 5-1, 4-1, 8-1, 6-1, 2-1 Crown and Anchor. The typed instructions came with the rigged tops when ordered from a gambling supply house. "Blue Book" (copyright 1932), which at that time had offices in eight major cities across the U. Notice how the middle ones are nice and symmetrical -- straight/fair/honest. Per seller, "Put N Take Dreidel - Gambling Spinner - Made in Wisconsin USA, Made in Wisconsin USA, CNC Machined from Aircraft Grade Aluminum. Dealer, in e Bay August 2009 auction description, says: "... A box of 1 dozen 3/4" dice for the game Put & Take etched in black, red and blue. "The original game was a spinning top but this dice version is easier for younger children who can't make a top spin. "The 6 faces read - PUT 1, PUT 2, ALL PUT, TAKE 1, TAKE 2 & TAKE ALL. "This is a fun way to teach children about turn taking, following game rules, number value, winning & losing! English lettering is CNC-engraved and hand painted. This auction includes one aluminum top, instruction card, and small fabric gift bag. ," as described by e Bay seller rembet33 in Oct 2009. per e Bay seller, March 2010: "Well, I came up with a design and had it made and now am selling it to other Put and Take enthusiasts looking for an ultimate game experience that can be carried with you wherever you go. Take One The player will take one ante out of the pot.The Put & Take craze enveloped the world in the 1920s and 30s, as seen everywhere in games, newspaper stories, songs, plays, movies, punchboards, and reform movements to outlaw the spinners and games. He describes it as "in the form of a Bosch (Bosch-Lavalette) spark plug. It spins quite well virtually each time if you are careful. THE BOTTOM LEVEL IS FIXED TO THE MIDDLE SPINDLE, WHILE THE MIDDLE AND TOP LAYERS ARE FREE FROM THE SPINDLE AND SPIN SEPARATELY AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE TWO TOP LAYERS CAN BE SPUN SEPARATELY ON BALL BEARINGS. 19735/50 APPROX TOTAL LENGTH - 3.8CM (38MM)."The top is marked "Spinpool Pat Appd For". Similar to the bi-level tops (horses, poker) made by the company that made the "Odds-On" tops, but nothing engraved on the top of the top near the handle. The scanned instructions and catalog page are from the K. In both pictures, notice how the tops on the right are shaved on the lower right side of the "T2" face, and the tops on the left are shaved on the lower left side of of the "T2" face. "Letters & numerals are hand written by seller using with a wood burning tool. Okay, I'll even sell it to anyone else who might want it so don't feel left out. It's an ivory colored 12 sided (D12 to the gamer community) 16mm die and the sides, in no particular order, are engraved as follows: Put 1, Put 2, Put 3, All Put, Put All, Lose Turn Take 1, Take 2, Take 3, All Take, Take All, Roll Again" Modern. Take Two The player will take two antes out of the pot Modern crooked (gaffed) Put & Take.The heyday was especially seen in 1921 and 22 (I refer you again to the timeline.) There is the 1921 silent movie "Put and Take", a 1921 "Put and Take" Broadway show and song, at least five American patents regarding Put and Take taken out between 19, and even a 1929 "Put and Take" jazz swing composition. from the English and American gambling scene is that too many loaded tops were being used. Players ante into a pot and take turns spinning the top. So, for example, if "1P" and an "R" appeared, it would mean a pair of kings! As far as I could determine, originally from France and probably for the game Pinochle. One issue I have is that if you tighten the handle (as you normally would), the upper level presses against the lower level, so the upper level won't move independently. And here, which shows the company's lighter in the three upper pictures, and the other pictures are of the bi-level Put & Take made from some of the same parts. (Bosch-Lavalette was an old German-French partnership firm which made a wide variety of light engineering precision work, largely connected with fuel injection pumps and small electrical equipment, and large petrol engines. Or it could refer to Bogey motorcycles which were made in the 1920s, thus maybe an advertising item? Here, the side could be for: E (for Even -- 1:1)/disqualified? I have been unable to track down the makers or anything similar. Knowing this would give a favorable percentage to the user; he wouldn't always win on every spin, but would come out a winner in the long run. The "takes" are opposite each other (for example, opposite the "T2" is a "T3"). Per seller: "High quality solid brass spin game, lettering is engraved and painted. "AP = All Pay TA = Take All P1 = Pay One T1 = Take One P2 = Pay Two T2 = Take Two" Excellent spinner -- very easy to spin, and spins very well. Seller says, "spinners made from the finest quality aircraft grade stainless steel which is machined using state of the art CNC turning centers and precision balanced for a piece that will spin perfectly and last forever, with a finish so bright and shiny you will need your sunglasses! "A gaffed gambling device increases your odds to 90% accuracy!Listen to this grand old 1922 English music hall song on You Tube, "Put and Take," sung by Harry Fay. In other words, there was a great deal too much putting by novices and taking by cheats." But Put & Take exists today. Justin Michell Kevin Cook Gerrit Veldhoen You Tube videos about Put & Takes and other spinning tops: fine 7.5 minute video showing wide variety of tops and spinners, even a few Put & Takes. app for i Phone/i Pod to put your own sides/commands on a digital spinner, thus making your own game. short video of a bi-level Crown & Anchor spinner in action. If it landed T1, T2 or T3, the player who spun it would win (take) 1, 2 or 3 chips, respectively, from the pot. Lavalette, a French firm, and Bosch, a German firm, partnered between WW I and WW II.) Unusual bi-level top with 8 colored balls. The sides of the three hexagons are marked in gold with X, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1. The seller in the US (November 2013) says, "This is an old game with a new twist as well. The original has the six horses names and the newer version has the four playing card suits Spade-Diamond-Heart Club as well as Joker and Ace. Likewise with the "puts." So it would work this way, using the top on the left as an example (the one where the left bottom of the "T2" face is shaved some): if you spun the top clockwise (as a right handed person ordinarily would), it would more often land on the "put" side because if the top slowed down near the "T2" side, it would continue past the extra rounded (shaved) edge and land on the adjoining Put side (or as the Instructions put it more simply: "When spun to the right, a Put will show....."). The dealer describes these as: "Up for auction is a very high quality machined aluminum anodized Put and Take GAMENUT Dreidel dice/die. The six sided spinner contains a P1, P2, P3, and a T1, T2, T3, The P's mean you put in 1, 2 or 3 dollars, the T's mean you TAKE," says the dealer of these tops.
Put & Takes -- Non-English language vintage Put & Takes (***this is a link to another page***) 4. Everything else: miscellaneous odd Put & Take-related items, but not spinners: bagatelles, pinball machines, playing cards, darts, spinning disks, etc. Rolling: Dice, faceted balls (vintage, not sterling), logs, and barrels -- put and take-related 9.